Harry Potter: A Death That Made No Sense

In 20/20 maybe to some extent. The whole ending looks so contrived to me hinging on wand magic to defeat voldy to show Harry’s pacifist agenda by having him use only expeliarmas.

well ok i think he death made perfect sense once YOU READ DH! alus was dying and severus needed the wand so therefor severus needed to be the one that killed albus…albus taught harry everything he could and it was his time to leave this earth

“Sirius never became a painting due the obvious fact that he was never a headmaster.”

- There are other paintings in Hogwarts that have not been Headmaster/mistress.

Um…I’m not sure what books you’ve been reading, but the Time Tuners were killed in book 5. Dumbledore had not been traveling far and wide yet looking for Horcuruxes at that point.

And I never said there weren’t holes in her plot. But so many questions that have been raised have black and white answeres clearly spelled out.

At the time Dumby was supposedly infected, the time travel device was still available. Don’t you think he could have got one when Minerva could get one for Hermione?

I don’t think anyone is bashing Ms. Rowling who has done an admirable job as her bank accounts will attest far more forcibly than me. A logical mind is however well within his rights to point out logical fallacies in her works.

First off, the time turner that Hermione had in book three did not belong to Hogwarts. If you read/remember clearly, she told Harry that Professor McGonall had to write incessant letters to the Ministry on her behalf to get one. And as you have read, they were all destroyed in book 5.

Sirius never became a painting due the obvious fact that he was never a headmaster.

As for talking to Dumbledore in the painting…did you miss the million coversations that Sirius’ ancestor has with both Dumbledore and Harry? How many times has he been asked to tell someone something who’s in a house where another painting of him is?

I think it’s wise to remember all those little details or at least look them up before bashing one of the best sequential writers this century has ever seen.

Well actually it still doesn’t make sense. Dumbledore had a time travel device. When he was infected, he could himself or with the help of someone go back in the past and undo the damage so he didn’t get infected in the modified timeline.

You have to understand that the author has the sole capability of controlling the plot. She added some sense to it in the last book of the series but it still has gaping holes. Have you also looked at all the wand theory stuff to explain how non-violent Harry still manages to kill Voldy?

Sirius posters were all over the place when he escaped from Azkaban.

Well…

you really look stupid now that the last book as come out don’t you?

All i want to know is why Sirius never became a painting?

your theories have huge gaping holes in them why type them if its just a rant i think the books name should be fitting not small for small-minded people.

one: not obvious to all: not me and im 16 i might be dumb (thats wat u’d think not matter what my arguement) but there is a broad base of young readers so lighten up ur J K Rowling bash trip will you?

two: there was a set order of things and could not be prevented so albus was ready to take the hit and he was limited maybe even intoxicated to the point that he could only save harry potter as a last didtch hope for killing voldemort and saving the world (ultimately)

three: horcruxes are very dark magic - Rowling being very explicit in the plot that splitting ones soul shatters all good in a person and diminishes purity which dumbledore represented (why would u even suggest he make one!?) he cannot go back in time unless he is to live in that time and being discovered could mean a complete twist on the plot that wouldnot be reasonable and btw all the time-turners were smashed in HP 5 u oblviously never thought this out - just a rant

P.S. thx linda for getting way off topic and jimbo for encouraging her (not lyk u’ll ever see this)

Linda, in the first book, she said her sister was a freak and she despised magic. However, in the last book, you read that she didn’t like magic before she sent and received the letter to the headmaster proving that she was interested in becoming a witch. However, due to Snape’s and Lily’s invasion of her privacy, she decided to step away from magic completely.

I do agree with you on the second point. I too thought there would be more on it.

Dumbledore had a painting of himself in his office. Snape, still loyal to Dumbledore, didn’t take the portrait down and left him up there. At the end, Harry was communicating with the portrait. Much like he would with the portrait of the large lady who guards Gryffindor Tower.

what i don’t understand in the last book is that she never really explained about Petunia, Rowling said that there was more than meets the eye with P, but all she said was at the beginning when they were leaving to go into hiding, she gave a “look” to potter. then at the end, we learn that petunia wanted to be a witch when she was younger. but i really thought there was more to it!!

Second question i had about the last book was what happened to Sirius Black??? I know he fell through the veil in book5, but there’s gotta be more!! Forexample, why is it that only Harry and Luna could hear voices behind the veil while others couldn’t? I thought that Sirius must be like stuck somewhere, or he could be died, but there’s got to be more explanation to his death!!! It just seems that there’s a lot Harry should have learned about James that he didn’t, and it felt that Sirius, being James’ best friend and all, should have been the one to tell him.

Lastly, how can dumbledore come back at the end in the office on the paiting? like i understand how the p ictures all work and stuff, but how can harry think that by telling the painting that he won’t be going back for the rock that is the same as telling the prof himself?

@pegkerr
I missed that part. However the own given to Hermy belonged to Hogwarts and so it has no reason to be destroyed.

Mohamed, I don’t understand you. Please clarify.

MissMo, I too didn’t like Dumle’s death in the least. In the Deathly Hallows Rowling provides a convincing explanation for his death. It now makes sense

Being the only one Voldy ever feared, Dumbledore had to die in order for Harry to in the end meet Voldy for a final battle.

Although I was deeply traumatized by Dumbledore’s death, and felt angry wih Snape for months after reading it, it still made sense that Dumbledore had to go.

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“What happened to going back in time gizmo?” The time turner, you mean. You may have missed that the trio read a report in the newspaper in book six that all of the Ministry of Magic’s time turners were destroyed during the Battle at the Ministry (which took place in Book 5). Rowling has thus removed the time turner as an option.

Why would you have to destroy your soul to create horcruxes?

Dumbledore specifically answered your question: because you have to murder someone in order to do it. He called that “destroying your soul.”

Dumbledore would NEVER do it.

> You are thinking like Tom Riddle, thinking that death is the worst possible thing that could happen. Dumbledore has already made very clear that he does not fear death, but only considers it the next great adventure.

Next great adventure where? As a ghost like Nearly-Headless-Nick? That doesn’t sound like fun!

> destroy his own soul in order to create horcruxes

Why would you have to destroy your soul to create horcruxes?

Also what happened to going back in time gizmo? Why didn’t Harry use that to save Albus?

1. The death was necessary. A hero must eventually stand without his mentor behind him in order to complete his transition to fully mastery.

2. You are thinking like Tom Riddle, thinking that death is the worst possible thing that could happen. Dumbledore has already made very clear that he does not fear death, but only considers it the next great adventure.

3. Good heavens. You have absolutely no understanding of Dumbledore’s or Harry’s characters at all if you think that either of them would ever be willing to destroy his own soul in order to create horcruxes. Harry’s own parents were murdered! You think he would be willing to become a murderer himself? “It is our choices that make us who we are, far more than our abilities.”

J K Rowling has expressly stated that Dumbledore is dead FULL STOP!